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Heath Howell

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Jul 3, 08 - 5:34 PM 		Steve, Tough or Fast?

I heard that back in the 80's Martin Sewell had Sandsifters stocked with 9 Red Fox. Just 9 fox and back then everyone said it was full to the brim. They had good running on those fox with over 100 hounds. I bet you could really tell a fast hound in a situation like that. If you won the Speed and Drive class you could know you had something.
Now there are pens smaller than Sandsifters with 100's of coyotes in them. You have lots of running. At least you have a lot of hounds running around barking, I don't know if you would call any of it "good" running.
What I want to know is what do you think winning the Speed and Drive class means these days. I think we agree that it is more about being tough and staying in the running than it is about being fast. If you have 400 hounds in a pen and 500 pieces of game, how can you say anything about the speed of a hound. You have packs of 4 or 5 hounds running all over the place switching back and forth. Most of the time the game is running all sulled up half trying to scare the hounds back because there aren't enough there to make him really run and the coyote isn't in shape to run if he had to. We write the scores down when they cross and we add them up at the end but what does all that scoring really mean? Can you say you have a fast hound when you win?
I would rather have a situation that required speed and the ability to run the game. Something like the 9 red fox. I know that won't work anymore because there wouldn't be enough running but man wouldn't you like to win the Speed and Drive at a hunt with just two big races going on the whole time. Then you could brag a little. As it is now, I don't know that anybody has the right to brag.
Steve Ducote



Jul 3rd, 2008 - 7:10 PM 		Re: Steve, Tough or Fast?

Heath I don't hunt in pens that have 400 hounds and 500 pieces of game but if you have to hunt in a pen like that all the time you are at a disadvantage when you go to a trial where hounds are packed up to 75 in one pack. I have gotten to see that first hand some lately.
If you can't take the grind of 75 dog packs it will show up quickly if you run into them.
Nine Red Fox remember that group of Masters dogs at Sandsifters a few yrs ago, I don't think so.
Let me say this, if I could pick ten dogs out of the S&D of one of the Major 80's hunts and 10 dogs out of the S&D out of the Major hunts today, I would take my chances with dogs of today
Heath Howell



Jul 3rd, 2008 - 7:42 PM 		Re: Steve, Tough or Fast?

Steve, you would pass up High Ball??? I don't think so.
We don't have a problem with overstocking in my area but Dr. Graham said at the Masters in Pamplico every hound would have to catch a piece of game to wipe him out. We had 556 hounds, right.

A couple years ago we had a derby hunt at the Boggy Holler fox pen in Wing, AL. I think there were 102 hounds entered. At one point, every hound that was running was in one race and it made circles around that pen. Now, that was a race. Never heard anything like it before or since. The ground pure rumbled as they came by you.

Those 9 red fox would have been fine at the Masters at Sandsifters. They would have run for about an hour each day and then they would have went in their holes and we would have given out hunting scores and scratches for the other 4 hours, which is what happened anyway. I would rather have the speed and drive winner from a hunt with the 9 foxes than from a hunt with what we had down there in 2006. It's like rolling dice when the hunt turns out like that.
RODNEY SPIVEY/FINE-LINE KENNELS



Jul 3rd, 2008 - 8:49 PM 		Re: Re: Steve, Tough or Fast?

i think to really pick the s&d winner all the hounds would have to run in one pack. thats the only way you can say you have the fastest hound.a bunch of small packs CANNOT pick the fastest just pick the luckiest. meaning that he outrun what he was running with and got scored more than the other small packs. just my opinion
rodney/fine-line kennels
Jamie Chatten



Jul 3rd, 2008 - 10:38 PM 		Re: Steve, Tough or Fast?

Rodney I couldn't agree more with you, I really don't understand why a pen owner would put 50-100 pieces of game in there pens, its just way to much. I think the name of the game is the same as any houndsmen wants and that is conditioning. We have a pen here in Canada that is managed very well when it comes to conditioning of game, I would bet they wouldn't lose 5 pieces of game during a feild trial year they hold at least 5 3day trials and a few 2day and a bunch of 1 day S&D all these trials are over a 5-6 months period May-Oct
Killam Hills Kennels(Scott Head)



Jul 5th, 2008 - 1:39 PM 		Re: Steve, Tough or Fast?

Heath I remember that hunt at the hollar and you are right it was something that any foxhunter would have loved.When that pack of dogs came by the gate it was so loud you could not hear your self think. I placed a dog in the top ten there and was just as proud as if I placed one in a 3-day just because of how the running went.


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