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Steve Ducote



Jul 3, 08 - 10:19 PM 		McClain Thanks

After listening to Heath pulverize my brain with increasing the H&T scores it is comforting and soothing to what little brain I have to recite your famous saying:

"I don't care where he has been, just tell me where he is now."

Just think if we could write a set of rules around that saying, would that not be the best hound.
Not even Heath,Bubba or Hilton would dare touch this. You could cast a hound and he could skip all the cosmetic stuff and get to business, but McClain there is not enough of these to go around so we make a little game so the rest of the hounds can play

Heath Howell



Jul 3rd, 2008 - 10:35 PM 		Re: McClain Thanks

Steve if you want to know where he is now you have to figure out where he was and which way he was going when he left. That is Hunting. After you find him you can tell about it all day long if you want to but you have to find him first. Even in a fox pen you have to find him first. Lots of different ways to go about finding him, but you have to find him first.

If there was an eternal race that was always going like the eternal flame on Kennedy's grave then we wouldn't need a Hunting class. As it is, we have to strike a new race every time we want one. You can throw another log on a rolling fire and boy how it burns but you need that little match to start the fire rolling.
Eric Emerson



Jul 4th, 2008 - 5:21 AM 		Re: McClain Thanks

Steve, As you know already, I like Heath's idea of increasing the points for hunting(and even trailing) AS LONG AS YOU DON'T PUT THEM ALL IN THE HANDS OF ONE JUDGE.
Trials like the Masters at Sandsifters a couple of years ago -- you need to increase hunting points if hounds have any hope to match the s&d totals of the first day, and let's face it, that hunt was more about hunting than s&d.
What about keeping the points a judge awards for hunting as they are, but tripling the TOTAL for that hour? If three, four or five judges score a hound for hunting in the last hour it DESERVES the 90 points, maybe more. We just have to make sure that it's inclusive and significant.
AGAIN -- in hunts with wall-to-wall running, S&D will carry the day. It should. Those are the conditions that prevail for that hunt. BUT we need rules that work for all kinds of hunts and conditions and we need to give good judges the opportunity to JUDGE good hound work other than S&D.
We need to allow judges to score what they see, including hunting, check work, track running and yes, even trailing. We just need a system that works and I believe total points can work very well IF WE GET THE RIGHT WEIGHTS FOR EACH CATEGORY.
Steve Ducote



Jul 4th, 2008 - 6:43 AM 		Re: McClain Thanks

Heath the definition on trailing is a hound has to bark to score him. Best jump dogs I ever saw in these parts when they barked they were under him.
I saw where Barry said there would be all Masters rules in the East and all Total Points in the West, there is a reason it would be like that. One group brought up Wolf hunting the other brought up fox hunting, just how it was no ones fault, one not better than the other, but different.
Magees Betty outstanding Crying mouth, could jump a Red Fox in an instance on the outside, never barked until she was running, as good a nose on a hound as I ever had. Run a Red down a black top road, railroad track it did not matter, bark trailing never. Do u think she wasn't at a disadvantage when they were passing out trailing. Ask folks around here if she couldn't flat jump and run a Red fox on the inside or outside. Why do u want rules that makes folks breed this out of good dogs. Good hounds are born, we have very little to do with it, besides feeding, caring , and taking them hunting. You bring me a dog that barks alot trailing a coyote or red fox in our country on the outside and I will send you back a dog that can't jump either, but the rules say he has to bark to be scored for trailing. Heath that doesn't work here, and one that trails with 500 coyotes in a pen, come on Happy 4th of July
HILLBILLY INC AKA CHARLIE WALKER



Jul 4th, 2008 - 7:00 AM 		Re: McClain Thanks

DUCOTE WHY DONT YOU GUYS TAKE THE PLUNGE AND ADOPT THE JULY RULES AS AN OPTION IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAPPY JULY AS WELL AS WALKER FOLKS....AT LEAST THIS WAY YOU COULD HAVE THE NATION IN YOUR CORNER...WELL KINDA...
Steve Ducote



Jul 4th, 2008 - 9:06 AM 		Re: McClain Thanks

I am game for that Hillbilly, I realize different areas need different types of hounds so we should not force the issues. Hunting Grey Fox in briar Patches and Reds and Coyotes in the widw open spaces isn't the same no matter how you try and force it
Eric Emerson



Jul 4th, 2008 - 9:37 AM 		Re: McClain Thanks

Like most other coyote hunters, I've always preferred that hit 'n git sucker than can shut up, get up and run the fire out of a yote.
However, fox hunters and others often prefer a hound that opens more freely and runs the track well.
There are good hounds in both kinds. Some of those fireaters, as you described, can run game down a blacktop and turn when it does. Some open trailing hounds can get up in good running and keep the pressure on.
I think we have to eliminate as much bias towards either style of hound as we can when it comes to field trial rules.
The open trailer will get rewarded with trailing scores that the run-to-catch hound won't, but that rascal will find a track and run it out from other hounds and get a few s&d scores before the rest catch up to him, if they ever do.
Most hounds that tongue freely on a cold track will do the same when looking at game. Many of the catch-and-stretch shut up when they get game in sight. Some real hunters prefer one style of hound, some the other.
If we are to institute rule changes that are beneficial, they must eliminate as much bias as we can, otherwise let's just stick with the current Masters or July rules, both of which are good standards.
Heath Howell



Jul 4th, 2008 - 12:12 PM 		Re: McClain Thanks

Steve, I have given up on Trailing. I was just talking about Hunting. Trailing is something that is best heard and not seen. Try to watch a hound Trailing and you won't see much. Sit by the fire and listen to your favorite hound when he jumps the fox, now that is the way to know you have a Trailing hound. He is the one that jumps the game. Some might want him to bark on the cold trail, others might not. Since we can't score them by sound and it is almost impossible to see a good hound Trailing in a pen, I say we get rid of it all together.
WILLIE`S MAIN STREET KENNEL(WILLIAM SMALL)



Jul 4th, 2008 - 12:30 PM 		QUESTION?

JUST CURIOUS. I`VE NOTICED MORE AND MORE HOUNDS BEING SCORED IN MASTERS HUNTS THAN EVER, SO QUESTION IS WHY? SAME DOGS,SAME JUDGES MOSTLY, SAME RUNNING CONDITIONS, JUST ALL OF SUDDEN NOW THEY`RE RECEIVING HUNTING SCORES. HEARD SAID THAT JUDGES NOT AFRAID OF RIDICULED FOR SCOREING. SO WHY WERE THEY RIDICULED IN THE BEGINNING? WHY NOT LET A JUDGE JUDGE EXACTLY WHAT HE/SHE SEES? FIRE AWAY.......


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