Here is exactly what was sent into the Nationals for consideration and passed to become a new rule in the National Fox Hunters Association Rule Book:


March 23, 2014

Dear National Fox Hunters Association,

There are presently some groups of fox hunters who would like to hold championship three day field trials for broke hounds and eliminate/scratch hounds guilty of running deer. The below addition to the National Fox Hunters Association Running Rules would give them this option and also attract some new Affiliated Associations for the Nationals.

Under FIELD TRIAL RULES and REGULATIONS; ARTICLE VIII – JUDGING IN THE FIELD; add the following after the end of (p) paragraph on page 27;

(q) An Affiliated Association can choose and advertise to scratch hounds for running deer and have a “Broke Dog Hunt”.

Please consider this proposed rule change at the 2014 meeting of the National Fox Hunters Association Membership meeting.

Sincerely,
Jeff Brinchek
2072 Beulahtown Road
Kenly, NC 27542

Jeff, Wishing you all the best on the proposed amendment. It's about time!
There is probably no place in North America where an outside field trial can be held that doesn't have a significant deer population.
The time wasted by judges getting on races they can neither score nor scratch; the hunting and trailing scores given on off-game and the scarcity of fox/coyote races because most of the field is running in or checking out deer races has made many outside trials a bad joke for hunters who wish their hounds to be tested on fox and/or coyotes.
The great success of the North Carolina broke dog hunts should be an encouragement that outside trials of this sort can flourish.
A hound with the ability to hunt, trail, produce and hold onto legitimate game on the outside has a combination of qualities that we can't afford to lose, even we pen hunters who value speed, toughness and competitiveness so much.
If it can't find and run it's game properly, it's not a foxhound.
Again, good luck.

Hopefully someday we can have a broke dog National separate from the old National that allows for deer dogs.This is an exciting change for outside hunting.

not trying be a smart a just question if trial is going on u have a deer race say 75 or 100 head u juding how can u scratch some of the hounds and not all of them no way read all the numbers at once,that would be unfair if cant scratch them all.

some dogs on the deer crossing get scratched and some dogs dont and go place and win and one is a recognized champion.

The group that has been having broke dog hunts for a few years have only had to scratch a few for running deer. The dogs that show up to these hunts are hard broke off deer. It isn't a problem.

If you tried to scratch for deer running at a regular outside hunt it would be difficult but there are always some faulty hounds that survive a hunt. I judged a hunt several years ago where there was no game in pen for most of the hunt. Big packs of 20-30 hounds would fall in and start running each other. No game in front of them, just running in a pack and barking like they looking at a fox. Well, you can't get 30 numbers in one pass when they are filtering down through the woods. All you can do is get as many as you can and keep trying until hopefully you get them all. You can't give up on scratching just because you can't scratch them all. That goes for every fault.

well if a guy pays to go he knows ahead of time whats up. Looks like when you miss a dog you stop scratching like speed and drive when you miss. It may be a mistake for the rules not being defined better.as it looks like they will be made up at the broke hunt. All said its too late breed deer running out. maybe 50 years ago. but time will take outside hunting ground away soon.

Being a champion title is going to be given , how is this going to be kept fair?Due discretion is the term used now for scoring or scratching. Will a score in these hunts be 100% fox or coyote only so in the case the game is NOT SEEN no score or scratch take place?How can a score,even trailing, be given if game is unknown using a deer scratch rule?

In an outside hunt with a normal deer population, wouldn't it be irresponsible to give ANY score without seeing the game? However, it's done; especially when it comes to hunting and trailing scores.
Some posters have pointed out flaws in a trial that scratches hounds for running all off-game, not just some. Do you really believe that field trialing is flawless as it exists now?
How many hunting and trailing scores have been given to hounds looking for and/or producing deer? How many speed and drive scores have been given on off-game? Is everyone's perception of trailing the same? Hunting? Are hounds doing a half-azzed job of running their game really speed and driving? Are they trailing?
Field trials are great. They help assess the speed, competitiveness, toughness and gameness of our hounds. They often pick the best hound as ch.
However, they are imperfect systems and results need to be tempered with time and reasoning. Always have.
No it's not perfect, but any system that does its best to eliminate deer hounds, unless you're holding a deer trial, is worth implementing. Perhaps the greatest benefit is that it will encourage entrants to leave that deer running demon home rather than hoping he gets in the right place at the right time on, for once, the right game.

If I read rite the association has option to vote on the deer being scratched... Down home u wouldn't take ur deer dogs to a hunt if they scratching for running deer pretty simple ur goin to take the ones that won't touch a deer an maybe one that aint bad after a deer but dang sure not taking the ones we taking n the deer woods next sat morn..so if the association dont pass the deer dogs being scratched ur hunt will be the same as it ever was... But if scratching a dog for running a deer in my eyes u can't ever again score a dog benefit of doubt... U have to see the game an the real best fox dog will be declared the champ

if you dont see game shouldnt get a score in deer scratch hunt. but i bet they do caus its home made rules. no real definition.

So is it ok to score hounds without seeing the game in a non-scratch hunt? Home made logic. No real distinction.

well if you are for scratching 50% per crossing caus you cant write them all down when you miss a few dogs and you know its a deer ,I guess score the 50% you can when you dont know its a deer. Any body at these hunts is there at their on free will.So its their biz anyway.

Are you a glass half empty kind of guy? My guess would be -- yep.
If you scratch what you can this crossing; do it for the next deer crossing; do it the next day and the day after -- you might not have 50 hounds in a deer race the last day and you probably won't have 50 at the next broke dog hunt. This seems to be working very well in North Carolina but of course, it just wouldn't in your world.

Why do yall noname people think it is ok to score hounds trailing unseen (trash) rabbits, coons, possums and fisserines in a hunt that does not scratch dogs for running deer but in hunts that scratch deer runners that fox has to be seen to score trailing. Just a bunch of negitivaty by noname posters. Owners of those 20 or 30 hounds running each other, never owned a broke dog in their life and wouldn't know how to do it if they wanted too. I have never attended a broke dog hunt but I plan too, I think it is great and appreciate the work of the people that got this done and the association for passing it.

Yal can have you a shock collar champion as long as you got 50 dogs entered. now go score and scratch how you want. nobody cares. the national members were tired of hearing moaning and growning about deer. But for the record there are plenty of coyotes run at Grenada if you got a dog that can run one and they get scored on right game on the outside there for a fact! .So bring them broke dogs and try them out in Mississippi on coyotes.