Well I see that our free healthcare got passed. How long before Northrup Grumman Ship Systems stops taking it out of my check each week?
I should be able to buy a dog with this extra $70 a week, right Kermit? Not sure how this is going to work so tell me what I should be expecting.

sore butt thats what u can expect!!!!!!

Bird
I pay 1500 a month for my family so when I start getting free insurance I will be able to get one of them good dogs like you boys have.
Oh yeah I have a new Tomato plant that grows one tomato a day but it is as big as a Watermelon. I will sell each of you one for a 100 dollars and better yet it grows all year.In the long run you will save money so just send me the money and I will have one shipped to you. My adress is Hope Washington D.C. care of Worm Ladner. I also had my insurance payment sent to Worm so I guess I will be able to buy the beer next week.

Well I told you Obama would be elected, and I told you health care would pass. When I tell it's going to get better for you and your family and for those people that WE HELP that don't have healthcare, BELIVE ME. If you make over $200,000 you may have to pay a few more taxes, which I would not mind doing then we would not have to worry about not having enough hound's to go to the Gulf Coast Classic and the South East La. We could support both of these great hunt's. And you mean to tell me a company worth as much as northrup grumman makes you pay $70 a week? I'll bet 1/2 of the CEO's bonus could pay for that. Oh, I forgot that would be socialism.

Chip, when should I expect the first payment? I'll buy the beer.

Well Quave $1500 I'll even give you the collar with my hounds. You might want to hold on to that though, I may be jumping to conclusions but I figure your $1500 and my $280 will double to 3000 and 560. But Worm should be able to explain how it all works and how we are going to benefit.

BEFORE YALL GO TO BUYIN SORRY DOGS FROM EACH OTHER BRING THAT EXTRA INS $$$ DOWN TO THE BEAU RIVAGE AND TRY YOUR LUCK. YOUR LUCK HAS TO BE GETTIN BETTER... EVERYTHING ELSE IS!!

You know I sit and read and listen to all the statement's from them repub's on how this legislation is gone to bankrupt America, and our children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for this. Why should I or anybody else believe somebody that just about bankrupt not only our country but also several individual's I know. Is that not the fox gaurding the hen house, Or am I just that blind. From 2000 until 2006 what did they do. They say they want healthcare reform, why did they sit on thier thumbs and do nothing? Why has the insurence companies spent over $200 million lobbing against this, you think it's to lower your rates. If that's so I have the best foxhound in the world I will sell for a one dollor. It's just hard for me to trust anyone how has not done a **** thing to help anybody but the rich and big business. Trickel down politic's did not work in the 80's and they will not work know.

I can't think of one thing that the gov't is involved in that isn't screwed up, abused, etc. The gov't wastes more money than these evil ceo's ever thought about. If someone works hard and is able to get a ceo job why shouldn't they be rewarded? It used to be called the American dream. Now it's welcome to our nightmare please pay more taxes. We'll take your money and spend it wisely because you are too stupid to use it how you need to.

Well said Towerdog. Worm you always bash the CEO's that make the big bucks. They didn't just start making big bucks the years the Bush's were in office, they've always made the "big bucks", that is why some people spend 8 to 12 years of college, for the dream of being a CEO.

Worm really, what should I expect over the next few weeks/months to change on my paycheck and health care program? I have "BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHILED, ANTHEM" as of now, what changes do I have coming? I pay a $5 co-pay on all medicine, and $15 co-pay on all Dr. visits.

How is this going to be paid for? If the goverenment would try to create jobs people could buy there own insurance.This is how it has worked for years. So for all they have done is spend money that no one has. Why should the government say that we have to have insuance? I thought we lived in a free country. This is the biggest step ever towards communism. I know lots of people that make over 200,000 a year only bring home 50-60000 after they pay there empoloys, shipping, trucking, up keep, etc.
They will have no choice but to raise there prices or go out of business.

? ask the people that do work and pay taxes why they can't afford to buy insurence. So to do what you said only those with insurence should be able to see a doctor or use the hospital. If your a young person who has never been sick and don't have insurence because you choose not to buy it, you should not be allowed health care if you get in a wreck, RIGHT? He or she should have had insurence. What about you conservative's do we just let them die, they choose not to buy it. That way the hospital's don't have to raise our rates to pay for those who don't have insurence. Who do you think pays for those who don't have insurence? Fact check.org will answer a lot of the questions you have. Don't be scared of fact's. Or you can keep believing the people that has put us here to start with. 2000-2008

Bird, you win I quit.

My only thing who is going to pay for those who refuse to work. WE ARE. The federal government already has health care for people who are disabled or cant/wont work it is called Medicare/medicaid and it is so broke it cant keep up with spending. And it was started by who DEMOCRATS. Why should we think this is going to be any better.

A few things I copied from the bill:

For those struggling to pay bills, who’ve avoided buying insurance because it costs too much, reform might mean they'll have coverage, at least in a few years. For those at the top end of the income scale, it will mean higher taxes, fairly soon.

If you ignore this mandate and don’t get health insurance, you’ll have to pay a tax penalty to the federal government, beginning in 2014. This fine starts fairly small, but by the time it is fully phased in, in 2016, it is substantial.

An insurance-less person would have to pony up whichever is greater: $695 for each uninsured family member, up to a maximum of $2,085; or 2.5 percent of household income.

There are exceptions. Certain people with religious objections would not have to get health insurance. Nor would American Indians, illegal immigrants, or people in prison.

About 19 million are likely to be eligible for financial aid. The cutoff level would be an income of four times the federal poverty level. For one person, that’s about $44,000 a year. For a family of four, the comparable figure is about $88,000.

The formula is pretty complicated. Basically, though, people who make three or four times the poverty level would get enough federal money so that they would not have to pay more than about 10 percent of their income for a decent health insurance package.

People who make less would have to pay a smaller slice of their income for coverage. For instance, individuals who make about $14,000, and four-person families with incomes of about $29,000, would not have to pay more than 3 to 4 percent of their incomes for insurance.

There’s something of a catch there, however. The main way the feds would ensure this is to steer you, too, into this new exchange. Your employer would give you a voucher equal to the amount of money it contributes to your policy. Then you’d dive in there and shop for plans with all the self-employed people.

I've read into this a lil more and basically, over the next 4 years my insurance policy at work should increase by 56% to match the minimal amount for the government reform insurance policy. Then I will choose between my company and the "free" health care to see which policies fit my family best.
Heck sounds like a great idea to me, I don't mind paying "MORE THAN TWICE" the amount I am paying now for insurance.

If I don't fall in the "aided bracket" I will pay over $7,000 a year for insurance. Now I am paying $3,360 per year. Heck yeah, sign me up.

Where does the money come from? Its a simply question.

Factcheck.org can answer your questions.
Bird wear did you read that so we all can read it?
Was that before or after the bill is signed, it's went up 131% if not more in the last 10 years.

The article I got this info from says the majority of the money will come from 20,000,000 new people mandatory purchasing insurance, especially young adults that are healthy and don't really need insurance.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0322/Health-care-reform-bill-101-What-does-it-mean-for-kids-and-families

Bird when one of them young healthy people that don't need health insurance get's cancer who pays for their care?

does congress and senate also fall in to this plan or are they exempt from the plan?

Haven't and will not read all these post but if anyone thinks this is a good thing, well you would have to be a worm, and worms are blind.I am a Republican and not proud of everything they have done but I have never and none of you have ever seen our country in as great of danger as it is today. Call it whatever you want to, but its not good for anyone who wants to work and be something. If you are on welfare and have always been then I understand you being for it. Most likely you have never worked and have no intentiom of ever working.This is the only response I will make on ths subject but feel free to call The Fat Man anytime 910-457-6080 so I can really tell you what I think !

IM IN THE PROCESS OF READIND THIS BILL SO IM NOT GONNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS UNTIL IM FINISHED BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION WOULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY IF THIS IS SUCH A GREAT THING DID 216 DEMOCRATS HAVE TO BE BOUGHT, BRIBED, AND FORCED INTO SIGNING THIS BILL

Ray, I know you don't think this country just got in this condition. I don't agree with everything the dem's do , but they look alot better than what the repub's have accomplished from 2000 to 2008. We were in pretty good shape when Clinton Left office we acctually had a surplus. Most of us talking on hear have insurance, ask somebody that could not afford insurance and got sick, and about to loose their home why we need healthcare reform. 45,000 PEOPLE A YEAR DIE, because they can't afford insurance, that's a good enough reson for me. I have a question for everyone. W W J D ?

WWJD??? HE WOULD HAVE WAITED TIL MONDAY TO VOTE ON THE STINKIN BILL BECAUSE SUNDAY SHOULD BE THE LORDS DAY!!! FRANKLIN ROSEVELT DELAYED A START OF A WORLD WAR FOR A DAY BECAUSE IT WAS SUNDAY! DONT PULL THE RELIGIOUS CARD BECAUSE NONE OF THE 400 SOME ODD SEN. THAT VOTED ON SUNDAY HAD THE LORD ON THEIR MINDS.... JUST MY 2 CENTS KERMIE.

Worm I do understand where this is going to help the people who are lower blue-collar that their company doesn't supply them with insurance. I also see where it can help top-end blue-collar workers that are paying outrageous amounts for there insurance, but it isn't helping the poor because they already have medicaid and chips. It isn't helping people in my situation, I'm about to double what I pay now. It isn't helping the wealthy, they are going to pay their butts off for it.

Conclusion:
the poor= "not affected at all."
mid blue-collar without insurance= helps
mid blue- collar with insurance= it kills
upper-end blue collar paying high rates through a private company = will help
the wealthier class= they will pay out the yin yang
younger healthier class that usually wouldn't pay for insurance = it kills, there is a minimum everyone must pay.

I'm not talking good or bad about it, just breaking it down.

IM STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER

Craig, call our democrtaic rep. Gene Taylor and ask him if That 1.2 million dollors he recieved from the insurance companies had anything to do with him not voting for it, that would insure a bunch of folks. For as the pribes it works both ways, thats politics and I don't like it no more than you.

Daniel,I agree that is the Lords day, Does any other business shut down? From what I hear also from your earlier post the Casino's income have been picking up so it must be getting better. We are doing some rentavation to one of them right now.

Bird it's eventually gonna help everybody, because when everybody is covered, the $1100 dollors we pay right now for uninsured people, will go away. The Doctor's and Hospitals want have to charge more for the one's who do not have insurance. The younger class want pay as much as an older class but if they happen to get cancer or some catostrophic illness, us taxpayers want have to foot the bill. And if the rich can't afford to pay a little extra so be it. Us middle class worker pay more per dollor in taxes right now anyway. They can afford 3 homes, 5 cars, and 2 boats, what does it hurt for them to pay a little more.

What about the Clinic Of Doctors down in Florida that just got busted for $80 million in fraud they got from medicare using dead doctors. Thats why we need reform. Was that Obama pushing the investigations, or is that the trickel down policies of Mr. Bush. Let's see what happens in the next 2 1/2 years. If everything is as bad as yall claim it's gonna be I will politic against all the DEMOCRAT'S.

You know Barrack Obama is powerful, he screwed this country up before he was elected.

It is sad that the one that passed and wrote the law are exempt from the law. If it is so **** good why dont they take it.

Josh if you can afford it you can buy the same exact insurance they have. It's no different than Bird and myself, we both have insurance just different providers. Google some of these questions, then you can make your own decision, don't believe what you hear or read all the time. Do you feed a particular kind of dog feed just because someone tell's you to. Shoot, even Bird agree's the healthcare bill will help some people that need help. The thing me is, it's better to have insurance and not need it, than to not have it and need it. Because if you don't have it you will have to depend on somebody weither it be the goverment or family and friends. And I think it's esier if we all pay than just a few.

And for welfare, give or take, 1% of Americans recieve it, of the 1% how many really don't need it? Is it them people recieveing the welfare all of the problem or could it be the fraud and abuse ( Billions of Dollors ) some of the hospitals, clinics and doctors get away with. If you don't have the POLICE you can't catch them

George Strait ~ "Just give it away"

Says it all.


Work for it , they take it, and they give it away.

Can't get a pothole fixed in the state of South Carolina, but Haiti will have new roads when we're done. Of course they won't have a car on $340 a year income. But wait..... "WE" might help them out on that now that "WE" own a car company or two. Or safely help the somali pirates back to shore. Or bailout some poor bankers.....

It never ends.

First that 45,000 number came from a Harvard student study that I don't put a lot of value on.the criteria they used was not great. I think 100% medical coverage for everyone would be Great!, The consequences for the other millions in the US that provide for that unilateral service is devestating.
Worm I assume you have hounds, and hunt, and are somewhat associated with a rural way of life.But reading you thoughts I have to wonder? Do you really believe that it is possible to "give" everyone in the US comparable health service, above and beyond Medicare and medicaid, without the average guy "you & Me" having to sacrafice not only our money but also our level of care that we recieve now? I'm still waiting on that revelation.I'm 52 years old and I can remember well that we didn't have health care growing up but neither did the folks that I knew. we got sick we used every remiedy under the sun and most times we got better. Could we have made it better with health insurance? Maybe, but other than relatives and close neighbors no body else was affected. Now we want the entire country to be responsible for the health of every individual that drinks, smokes,does drugs,never works,the illegales and never mention the un-wed that we will be paying for their abortions. the old way had its problems but it was much simpler. I believe that some things need to change but this Is rediculous.

WORM YOU SAID LETS WAIT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND YOUR FIERLOUS LEADER HAS TOLD US WHATS GONNA HAPPEN,WE GONNA PAY FOR IT FOR FOUR YEARS BEFORE ITS IMPLEMENTED BENEFIT WISE AND 95 PERCENT OF THE UNINSURED NOW WILL HAVE ANOTHER FREE CARD IN THEIR POCKET WITHOUT PAYING ONE CENT.THIS IS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF WELFARE WE FEED THEM BUY THIER BOOZE AND DOPE,PAY THIER UTILIES AND NOW WE GONNA GIVE THEM THE BEST HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD SO THEY CAN BE A MENACE TO SOCIETY ALOT LONGER

Worm dont know you but I like ya!!! Wish I had a hound with as much fight as you have!!!!!

Worm I pray you are right but I beleive you will see more deaths and a far greater number of them. We had a problem but I beleive we have made it worse. Just look at other countries that have tried this and see the results.What would Jesus do the same as he has always done give you the opportunity to get off your butt go to work and try to help those who can't themselves. Not those who wont help themselves. May catch a little heat for this and will not respond to this post any futher, but after 9-11 how can any Christain, or Real American support a Muslim President. Sorry if this offends you but this is how I honestly feel. As a Vietnam vet I am very disappointed in the path we have chosen and its not just health reform.

Amen Ray! I couldn't have said it any better.

I look at this site several times a day and usually don't post. Mr. Ray I didn't know you were a Vietnam vet, but I for one apreciate your service to a country that use to be great. I watch and listen to everything that is going on in this country today and wonder what happened. I am not that old but I wonder what the older generation is thinking. I was under the impression that you had to work for what you get. I have been working all my life and worked for everything I have got. Some of this society today think that it is owed something. Most of the reason that insurance and anything else that you buy and do cost more is because of govt. taxes and regulations. Worm, I don't know you and I know you have your own opinion. I consider that but I hope you don't have a mother that in a few years that has to have a heart bypass or major surgery and can't have it because of health care rationing because "THIS GOVERNMENT CANNOT PAY FOR IT". I'm sorry for such a long post but had to speak my mind. Again, Ray I appreciate your service to what use to be a great country.

Mr. Ray, I appriciate your service for this country dearly. My father is also a Vietnam Vet ( Army MP) and I have taken him to the V.A. hospital several times, Thank God for socialized medicine. If it were not for the V.A. he could not get the care because he just don't get enough retirement. Then our whole family would be bankrupt paying for his healthcare. He worked his entire life as a barber for himself, payed for everything he own's right now. If he was not on medicare and had the V.A. and had something seriuos go wrong he could lose his farm. Is that right? I believe what the problem is everybody believe's that the majority of the people on welfare don't deserve it, when the fact is a very few abuse the system.

My question to everybody right now is who do you think is paying for the people that go to the hospital right now that don't have health insurance? Why don't we turn them away if they can't pay or don't have insurance. The young man who think's he want ever get sick and does not have insurance, get's in a wreck and bleeding to death, do we let him die because he was not responsible enough to buy insurance. Why should me and my insurance company have to pay for him. To me that is stealing from society. And Mr. Ray you have been around a little while, is it the goverment that screwed everything up or is it the big money and greed. Ask your senator or congressman how much money big pharma and the insurance lobbist give them. It's public record's look it up. Our Democratic Represenative voted against the bill, he has recieved $1.2 million from the health insurane industry since he's been in office. Why would they spend that much money? To maybe cut your rates.

And if healthcare in Canada is so bad and don't work why haven't the 30 million Canadian's not move to the USA. Of course that socialist country might not let them leave.

"I believe what the problem is everybody believe's that the majority of the people on welfare don't deserve it, when the fact is a very few abuse the system."


Worm I've been reading this thing and not said a lot,.... but your last post shows how naive and ignorant you are to this whole situation.



Kyle Stotesberry
252-809-9124

I GET THE IMPRESSION THAT WORM FEELS EVERY HARD WORKING SUCCESSFUL MAN IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN LIFE AND I HOPE IM WRONG.

Worm I didn't mean to get the whole army pointing their guns at you .
I'm not usually the type to stir up anything

Bird, I believe I stired the army up, but I believe I can handle it. If an ignorant naieve man new what president would be elected and that healthcare would pass, and I'm gonna give you another one. With in 4 weeks a majority of this country will support this bill that was just passed. I can handle this army. A scared and mad army is easy to defeat. It's h--- being the underdog. But that's what I like.

Graig I have no problem with a (HONEST) hard working man getting every thing he deserves. I said HONEST!!

Kyle, didn't mean to get you all mad, (must to hit a nerve), we have been having what I think has been a good descussion. Ignorance is no more than the lack of knowledge. Naive is you will believe anything anybody will tell you. When I hear something I will check it out before I comment, well sometimes. I have a question for you, what percentage of this country is on welfare???

No Way man, I'm not mad. I don't mean to come across that way. I don't know what the percentage is. I can tell you that it's too high. At least a third that receive assistance are just plain lazy,.... no other excuse. Welfare comes in many different forms, some state and some federal. With that being said, its hard to put a real accurate percentage on it, b/c nobody is collecting and/or aggregating the data to reflect all forms of assistance. Go to any school in the good ole U.S.of A. and I can find you examples of kids getting a free lunch, while their parents have a brand new ride with $3000 worth of tires and wheels on it. Or maybe they get free lunch and daddy has a brand new boat under the shelter in the back yard. In my mind if they can afford a new Yukon maybe they could break off enough change for little Johnnies lunch. That's just one example of abuse that you can find in every school system in the land.

I'm about to leave the office and head to the doglot. Later guys.




Kyle Stotesberry
252-809-9124

I usually don't say to much on here but i had to comment on this. I work for a small company that you can not afford insurance through. I make to much money for my kids to be on chips or medicaid so therefore my wife or kids have no insurance. I work my but off all week, pay taxes, and pay for other peoples medicaid and it is time for some kind of change. i dont know how all this is going to work out but i sure hope my family can have insurance. so before we sure enough bad mouth this new bill think about the ones it will help that actually needs it and works hard for it and pays their taxes every week! i know it sure is a scary thought of my family not having insurance!

Jackie I feel for you all that work hard for a living and don't have health care. I work for a small company that happens to pay for our health care! I don't pay a dime for it. But thanks to this new health care reform it won't be that way long. I beleive we need reform just not this reform. I don't mind one bit helping someone like your self that works hard for what they got but I don't give a dam about helping someone who is to lazy to get out and help themselves. We need change thats for sure but this ain't the change I want and i don't know one person who does.

obama like a turtle sitting on a fence post you dont know how he got there are where he came from you just know he dont belong there

Kyle, don't get me wrong, I HATE them people who are too lazy to work, they cost me money also. The percentage is around 1%. Lets say 10 out of 1000. If 4 of the 10 don't deserve it do you cut the 6 that do? I just don't believe that 1% is the whole problem. We need to also look at all of the fraud going on. This is educated hard working people who went to school stealing your tax money. (Google medicare fraud and see what is going on.) Have not heard anybody but myself mention these people. The same thing is going on in our school system's, and what make's me really sick is some of the kids getting free lunches, parent's have good jobs but are lieing about their income. And they are not of the Minority. You expect that from some but it's those who should no better that I sure enough hate.

David just wondering who told you this, and do you know this to be a fact. Was it your employer who would hate anything Obama and the Democrats would do. Insurance rates were increasing before Obama was elected, along with the profits of insurance companies.

;;; the differnce in the turtle and obama is he knows who put him there, ( 52% of the American People, thats called democracy) and he was not appointed by the supreme court either.

If you want to check up on Bush and some of his main folks including a democrat who opposed healthcare reform. Google the iraqi constitution, article 31 and see what they done for the iraqi people with our tax dollors, in 2005.

Spel chek how hav i ben doeng latlee?

if this is a wonderful thing why did the muslim and his worshipers exclude themselves from obamacare,maybe we should google this for the facts

Craig I agree with you on that issue. I have said I don't agree with all of it. But let me tell you whats gonna happen. Right now you have a choice to what insurance you can afford to purchase. According to your income you could get assistance. Obama and his followers are gonna agree to join the exchange, and mandate that all of congress join, when that happens the republicans are gonna cry like babies because then they will have the same insurance as you, me and everybody, which is what I like. That will be what you call a socialist plan for sure. But then the Repub's will try to stop it. Of course if you could afford to pay out of your pocket would you care? Can you agree with me when I say that they can afford to pay out of their pockets? Be careful in what you wish for.

P.S. Remember when that happens ole WORM told you so.

worm do u listen to RUSH LIMBAUGH????

JACKIE YOU SAY U CANT AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE,HAVE U EVER ADDED UP HOW MUCH U SPEND ON HUNTING,DOGS,AND FISHING?MAYBE U HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH YOUR PRIORITYS AND RESPONSABILITYS

Josh, I do ocasionally, but since he went back on his promise to leave the country if health care passed, he has lost alot of credibilty with me. Fact check him, you be the judge.

?????? do you pay for your insurance out of your pocket or is it provided by an employer? I know your a true Republican with a comment like that. Your either rich or your employer provides it for you.