johnnie, that for me to know and you to find out. I got three young males that I know would three day. one came from Holton lofton and ran on the outside for a good period of time. the other two young males came thru haskill spires who run them some in a number of trials. I got them from haskill because he was having health problem. they are bred as good as anything around and under two yrs. of age. just because I do not trials very often, I do keep good bred hounds.