Heath I agree with you 100 percent you hit the nail on the head.

Mr. Pulpwood I know hunters know the difference in pen dogs and outside dogs to.I ain't just starting.

There is a difference in a name and a no name to just for your info.

Billy, I have a female that was like that , started running her with walker/beagle mix and she now is usually Second or third on a crossing and contributes a lot to picking up checks. Before she was swinging and and having to hustle to get back in place. it took her several months to get right.. She will take over the race after about 5 hrs but usually won't run but about 10 yds ahead. She learned what happens if she gets to far out fronts and swings the wrong way. If I would have started her with the dogs I have now she probably would have been ok from the start. You are right, best to start them with dogs that are right for you.

Heath, l tried that experiment, it didn't work good for me, unlike Billy's experience mine was hunting machines but hunted in a straight line and was out of hearing of myself and each other when they jumped. I was using them for deer hunting and nearly always had 3-4 one dog races going at same time in different direction. If I hadn't had telemetry l'd never kept up with any of them. None of them could trail a track from the road, if I heard them bark they were running. If you turned the deer back at a road a lot of times they'd lose it and never pick it back up. My opinion they had no nose.
I had 4, 3 out of the same litter so it may have been just my bad luck. Surprisingly they were excellent homers, got out of beeper range many times and couldn't find them, they always came back to where I turned them out.

It takes a hound that will hunt close to were cast were we hunt.We put them near the fox sign.I don't know much but I think its in their breeding to hunt and jump a gray.Some may can but don't want too maybe.Maybe the above post is right that blood is blood and its the trainer.Just not my experience with fox.

Mr hooper, I have had the same experience with pen bread dogs hunting them on outside. I had a hellems bread hound, placed in trailing and hunting in several different hunts. I could put him in the rd with dogs working a fox ahead of the truck and the dog act like he never smell it. That's not the only time I've seen that,ive also tried starting them from pup's and it still did not work. Just wasn't enough noise also seen my broke dogs not cover unbroke dog's. Idk how they know but they do. I'm not knocking nobody dogs but I don't believe hounds have the noise they had 20 years ago, heck not even 10 years ago. I also believe dogs that can't smell will not be able to run the front and hold it unless site running in a small pen. Ppl can make up different situations and try and explain it in all these sophisticated worded post but the bottom line is a fox dog with no noise is a sorry dog. Plain and simple. Have good day and happy hunting

How many out there still trying to hunt and run fox on the outside? Not deer hunt part time ,but true fox hunting.

I deer hunt part time, BUT NOT with the same hounds I fox hunt with. Does that disqualify me as a fox hunter? I get mighty run down during deer season, running deer dogs in the day with my sons and then fox hunting most of the night. Glad deer season is over, I'm putting a little weight back on and now I can hunt all night.

nose is in the breeding, but even some full mates have a better nose than the rest of the litter. most of the time more nose means less speed. the trick is to breed cold nose tough gyps to high headed leggy males with speed. the one with nose, speed and endurance is called a freak, when in truth it was the result of a successful combination of traits

To guess at the number of outside foxhunters left in the country, would I be bad off the number to say 100 foxhuntes?The kind that don't buy a big game stamp and make more coffee at midnight .My how this nation has re made itself.