I have a male that came out of joe nelson's biscuit dog and he is doing great despite of me and my poor training. He is 1 yr and 2 months old and went to his first one day this past weekend and sored about middle of the pack for speed and drive. Running broke down really early so I am happy with his score. He can put his nose down but not like I want to see but I am real happy. He is a three day dog!!