I put these dogs up for sale but did not explian why.The female is off Pc's woodchopper and a slinger gyp she is 15 months old.I messed up and waited too long to start her and she will not hook up and run like she should.She has above average speed.The male is off of flag at this time i am running 9 pups off of flag.The male has a good nose and a lot of hunt but not as strong as his litter mates.Guyes i run this pups every sunday and i started them my self.I watch them very close i think these would make some nice deer dogs they are 75 for one or 100 for pair you can see pics on my web site at http://doghousekennels.webs.com thanks scott