Brad, there are still a lot of places to take your hounds and run on the outside. I run 2-3 times weekly and have a lot of dog music.you don't have to have an audience or a large pack to enjoy yourself. Three dogs that can run game and use their mouth right can do the job for me. Learn to hunt by yourself. Pen hunting is not for me but a whole lot of people enjoy it as much as I do mine. I've have a dog now that was a pen dog and he is as good on the outside as I've had. He can walk a cold track down the middle of dusty road with head down or wind game from the same road with head up. What ever the conditions call for. The term pen dog doesn't mean he CANT rum game over 100 yds without a loss, it's that he is running under different circumstances, and doesn't have to worry about a loss. He learns there is going to be other scent close by. Most pen dogs don't work out on the outside right away but the good ones that want to run game learn how and the ones that do seem to me have a little something that captures my liking. Nothing is happening to the type fox hunting you like, unless you let it happen.